i really really could use your help LC, the render setup really needs tweeking and i only know how to set up mental ray one way and thats for car studio type renders. i know the atmosphere seems thick but its mainly the place where i put the camera. it consists of 3 sphears, one fore the earth texture (at 100 for size), one for clouds (101 for size) and then one for the atmosphear (at 103 for size) soas i said its pretty much all camera thats making it look big.